vandamme

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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 9:38:20 AM
"You are not saving the Earth. As George Carlin said "The earth will slough off anything we have to throw at it like a small cold or flu"."
Sorry, George Carlin was a comedian, not a scientist or theologian. FAIL
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eschroth442

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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 8:43:36 AM
our scientists can engineer solutions to all problems but is it econimically viable
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peabeax55

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 8:09:07 AM
I am convinced that continued experimentation and development is necessary for future self reliance. And there is no excuse to be using corn for ethanol additives either.
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iFueler

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Durham
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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 11:19:25 PM
will this "breakthrough" prove out, time will tell
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mia3bxs

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Miami
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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 11:09:39 PM
Small-scale applications would need to be thoroughly worked out before we can apply it on a grand-scale to automobiles.
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NHLiveFree

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 10:58:40 PM
The ethanol as a minor additve is not a failure, but the rush of the special greed interests here to the fastest and cheapest means to produce it exclusively from edible corn is a real problem. Corn from ethanol was brought to us all thanks to the well paid lobbyists from the likes of Archer Daniels Midland and several other 'Big Corn' interests together with our easily swayed Congress for any and all big business and financial firm interests.
As usual, scientific advancements may create much better and more useful products only if they are not bought off and buried by the largest of our corporations and business groups.
Wishing a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year to all Gas Buddies!
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andy1024

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 9:33:53 PM
This makes ethanol look like a complete failure. This may serve a reminder to policy makers that you should not rush a technology unless its side effects are fully studied and reduced to a negligible level.
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dave27johnson

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 8:12:50 PM
A breakthrough. Government research is paying off.
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HorizonChaser

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 6:44:00 PM
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BurtB

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 5:03:09 PM
The important part to me is does this plant need to push aside corn? or can it be grown on land that is hard for food crop to grow on?
We have already seen how the poor of the world suffer American Corn being diverted to create fuel. This from Wealthy first world people worrying about "Man-Made Global warming" instead of people.
You are not saving the Earth. As George Carlin said "The earth will slough off anything we have to throw at it like a small cold or flu". It is the height of arrogance to believe that you tiny humans could do anything that the Natural Order (or G-d, which ever you prefer, same point )could not Correct for.
Any time someone tells you that you must lose large amounts of money today to fix a problem that might happen in 100 years is trying to trick into something. Even China does not plan more than 30 years in the future. And anyone who thinks that the USA changing their energy consumption is going to effect "Man-made Global warming" has ignored China and India. China alone, is projected to dwarf the US use of fossil fuels in 10-20 years. And neither China or India, or any number of other third world countries, are going to give up fossil fuels to make some spoiled Europeans, or Left wing Americans feel better about living better than most of the other human on this little dirt ball.
[Edited by: BurtB at 12/25/2012 6:05:53 PM EST]
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BurtB

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 4:51:53 PM
The Left loves this stuff. until someone can make money by selling it. Then they will find a way to shut it down.
Canucktree is probably right. The article says " Galactan is a type of galactose, which is a 6-carbon sugar that is easily fermentable into ethanol by utilizing yeast. "
And ethanol is bad for Engines that are made today.
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Eugenian

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 3:46:36 PM
"Stuff still kills engines." - Canucktree
Source? Citation(s)?
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LexusLS400

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 1:43:23 PM
I like the pic of the 2 scientists showing off the pretty plants!
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DesertRat2011

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 1:27:38 PM
Will we ever see this at the pump?
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CiVX

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 1:27:08 PM
Cellulosic biomass; when?
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Tnerbeel

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 1:18:36 PM
Don't look for it at the pump any time soon.
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fuel2use

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Seattle
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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 1:11:47 PM
No food or crop land for fuel.
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Canucktree

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 1:11:43 PM
Stuff still kills engines.
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bobzilla11

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 1:11:38 PM
soylent green is people
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JerryBx7

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 1:11:20 PM
Another wait and see.
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Wesk8

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 1:07:17 PM
I wonder how well this stuff will age in charred oak barrels??
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AnObserver

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 1:06:44 PM
Great technology - keep it going
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braves89

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 1:05:03 PM
could be good would certainly be more enviromentally friendly
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jimgraham

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 1:03:52 PM
As with many many experiments, this could be a great thing.
Or not.
Time will tell. Maybe.
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heysailor

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 1:03:48 PM
Quick teabaggers; you only have a short time to stop this dead in its tracks.
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sljbc475

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 11:38:23 AM
Make it affordable.
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merlinCO

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 11:19:16 AM
Bring in more ethanol and beat the oil mongers publicity stunt.
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Lugi1967

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 9:48:32 AM
Sci Fi
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Luckylindy

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 9:38:09 AM
Lets see if anything comes of this in 20 years.
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evowner

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 9:24:32 AM
The expanded corn product is only for industrial use. There is no shortage of corn for "food". Cellulose research may be one of the greatest potential for renewable fuels.
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deputydog082

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 9:14:53 AM
anything is better than using corn as fuel instead of food!
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Discovery02

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 9:14:43 AM
Good research that will benefit the country whether they realize it now or not.
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Radar1992

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 7:58:40 AM
And how much more taxpayer research money are they going to want for this?
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zwsn01

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 7:49:30 AM
Great Research
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SUPERSTEVIEO

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 7:47:24 AM
what is the large scale production schedule? and what wil lthe selling price be? will this eplace a food cereal or other produce?
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grandmacbc

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 7:42:12 AM
Doe is actually now doing its original mission? must be in danger of being down sized!
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livedream

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 7:37:10 AM
Great lab work by the researchers! I hope this will eliminate the usage of corn for ethanol. Very interesting article! Thanks, BennoBlue for this article submission!
Merry Christmas, Everyone!! :)
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JLSindy

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 7:21:30 AM
Better use for plant sugar than to put in coffee!
Sounds creative and hopeful!
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Buckeyee

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 7:15:20 AM
Hope it works, the radical at the head of the EPA is tone deaf to the ethanol outrage !!
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mazdaboy

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 7:15:10 AM
Now we are talking. Sounds like an improvement over ethanol from corn.
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Straitliner

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 6:23:11 AM
Merry Christmas and Happy new year!!!!
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wrunner

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 5:11:42 AM
Fascinating.
Fantasy science work in progress.
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Hamish

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 4:36:58 AM
Happy Holidays
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heydano67

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 3:22:34 AM
keep working on it
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pricewar

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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 2:13:26 AM
progress of technology maybe some day will overcome
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