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High court asked to throw out oil refinery permit

AP Opponents of a proposed $10BB oil refinery asked the state Supremes to strike down the permit--- -- Hyperion's proposed refinery north of Elk Point would process 400,000 barrels of Canadian tar sands crude oil each day into low-sulfur gasoline, diesel, jet fuel and liquid petroleum gas. It would be the first U.S. oil refinery built since 1976.

The project would include a power plant that produces electricity for the refinery. It would convert a byproduct of the refinery process — solid petroleum coke — into gas that would be burned to produce electricity.

Dallas-based Hyperion contends that the refinery would be a clean, modern plant that would use the most advanced, commercially feasible emission control technology.

The Sierra Club and two local groups, Save Union County and Citizens Opposed to Oil Pollution, argue the refinery could e

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Oct 10, 2012 11:02:11 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse if the refinery would be well maintained after being built, that would make it worth it, but sadly, the motto "build it, use it, don't worry about anything else" seems to apply to most refineries.
heydano67 Champion Author California Posts:1,671 Points:358,510 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 11:07:30 PM Ignore heydano67 Report Abuse Can't we improve safety and capacity on the refineries already around?
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,950 Points:753,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 8:31:05 PM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse LOL, where ya' been letemeatthecake??? We have been refining and burning gasoline refined from tar sands oil for years and years.
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:51,310 Points:2,144,130 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 1:56:17 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse On Oct 5, 2012 3:05:58 AM, Bill100 wrote: >Revoke the Sierra Club's charter. On what grounds? This is a free country where you can say nearly anything.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,596 Points:1,206,355 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Oct 5, 2012 10:13:43 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse Why are we attempting to refine Canadian Tar? Let the Canadians further spoil their own country.
nauzad Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:1,024 Points:286,655 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Oct 5, 2012 5:51:02 PM Ignore nauzad Report Abuse hmm..
nb52 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:7,785 Points:1,547,825 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Oct 5, 2012 5:25:01 AM Ignore nb52 Report Abuse Sierra Club and it's "clones" are idiots.
MrPony Veteran Author North Carolina Posts:422 Points:394,130 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Oct 5, 2012 5:15:48 AM Ignore MrPony Report Abuse Tough greenies...the American people MUST win!
Bill100 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:41,498 Points:1,163,820 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Oct 5, 2012 3:05:58 AM Ignore Bill100 Report Abuse Revoke the Sierra Club's charter.
MAC48 Champion Author Dallas Posts:1,547 Points:766,965 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Oct 5, 2012 12:30:19 AM Ignore MAC48 Report Abuse If the Sierra Club as we know it today is opposing the construction of this new refinery, then it should obviously be built.
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,473 Points:663,925 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 11:08:26 PM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse Kinda tird of Greenies and tree huggers.
boatfloyd Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:1,723 Points:388,950 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 11:07:46 PM Ignore boatfloyd Report Abuse We need more refineries.
jem069 Champion Author Detroit Posts:2,543 Points:688,055 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 11:00:45 PM Ignore jem069 Report Abuse ok
WIPACKERFAN Champion Author Chicago Posts:8,809 Points:1,844,425 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:58:12 PM Ignore WIPACKERFAN Report Abuse OK
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,596 Points:1,206,355 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:57:11 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse Aviator Bob...LOL Your comments at 10:52. Best response I have ever heard! Thanks!
mrbee Champion Author Little Rock Posts:3,759 Points:2,466,805 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:56:36 PM Ignore mrbee Report Abuse Sierra club. Bad for the US.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,800 Points:414,390 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:55:39 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Okay, @wayoung56. No more Sierra Club but you have to outlaw the Tea Party, first. Deal?
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,800 Points:414,390 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:52:59 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Okay, @SandeeC. You have a deal. The Sierra Club has to pay higher gas prices but only they get clean air and water. The rest of you have to settle for whatever Big Oil deems "acceptable".
frostyWV Champion Author West Virginia Posts:2,339 Points:519,235 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:51:22 PM Ignore frostyWV Report Abuse damn tree huggers.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,800 Points:414,390 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:50:57 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse That's because Big Oil has a much harder time bribing judges than they do bankrolling legislators' election campaigns, @PizzaMon.
clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:10,576 Points:1,772,940 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:50:46 PM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse So the SCOTUS is now in the permitting business? Sierra Club - enough said. Green is red.
SandeeC Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,993 Points:460,705 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:49:49 PM Ignore SandeeC Report Abuse There should be some way to make people like Sierra Club members pay the highest prices in gas and the rest of the country pay much lower! Or find some way to kill THEIR economy.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,800 Points:414,390 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:49:17 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Don't be so sure about the Midwest being huge farmland anymore, @jcurley. That drought hasn't gone away yet. Farmers are having a real bad time trying to bring what few crops they grew this season to market. Expect the price of meat to go up. Feed prices have gone through the roof.
PizzaMon Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:5,134 Points:1,863,280 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:48:46 PM Ignore PizzaMon Report Abuse Environmentalists always seem to win in court.
carloco75 Champion Author Richmond Posts:3,716 Points:601,115 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:47:54 PM Ignore carloco75 Report Abuse MmmHmm...
Thomtec Champion Author Nashville Posts:2,464 Points:608,145 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:46:48 PM Ignore Thomtec Report Abuse Ok
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,800 Points:414,390 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:46:13 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Sure, @30mpg80, the Sierra Club's the problem. Big Oil's hands are as clean as Ivory Snow, huh? The Sierra Club wouldn't be around if Big Oil hadn't screwed up the air, land, and water in the first place. Tell them to clean up their act and the Sierra Club won't have any members.
E-Squirrel Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,014 Points:820,075 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:43:58 PM Ignore E-Squirrel Report Abuse Of course, these are the same people who complain and blame others, particularly the oil industry for shortages of fuel when they go to the filling station.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,800 Points:414,390 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:43:25 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Glad to hear you're offereing your backyard for a refinery, @bonzoonfmb. Send Big Oil your address. They'll send a survey team in the morning.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,800 Points:414,390 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:41:57 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Just understand that oil independence does not mean cheap gas, @zantor. Tar sands are expensive. Shale oil is expensive. Deepwater drilling is expensive. Those are the options in front of us. We already sucked the cheap oil out of the ground 40 years ago.
SavALot Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:8,474 Points:1,712,585 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:40:32 PM Ignore SavALot Report Abuse Thrown out on a technicality
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,800 Points:414,390 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:39:41 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse So tell me, @tidalwave3. You for offshore oil drilling in Tallahassee? I hear it'll do wonders for Florida tourism.
mrselfdestruct All-Star Author Arkansas Posts:998 Points:167,650 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:39:26 PM Ignore mrselfdestruct Report Abuse Nuts.
Gas4Gore Champion Author Detroit Posts:2,421 Points:423,875 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:38:44 PM Ignore Gas4Gore Report Abuse Do not listen.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,800 Points:414,390 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:37:53 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Amazing. Record amounts of shale oil being produced in the Dakotas and they want to build a refinery that will process Canadian Tar Sand crude??? How does this make sense? Build a refinery that can handle the shale oil, not that Canadian crap.
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:7,927 Points:1,575,955 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:34:55 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse we need some additioal refining capacity
HEBster Champion Author Kentucky Posts:8,793 Points:2,375,000 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:32:45 PM Ignore HEBster Report Abuse Ya think!
hammer219115 Veteran Author Pennsylvania Posts:411 Points:22,950 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:30:15 PM Ignore hammer219115 Report Abuse WOW!
Toppers Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,017 Points:2,471,670 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:29:37 PM Ignore Toppers Report Abuse Not good
papa56NC All-Star Author North Carolina Posts:725 Points:142,760 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:27:32 PM Ignore papa56NC Report Abuse Better luck next time.
tidalwave3 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:1,305 Points:1,464,545 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:26:46 PM Ignore tidalwave3 Report Abuse Let the Sierra Club ride their bicycles to the hearing.... Yea like that would happen, like Gore does :(
zantor Veteran Author San Bernardino Posts:258 Points:53,025 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:26:21 PM Ignore zantor Report Abuse we need oil independence
VanIsleLes All-Star Author British Columbia Posts:898 Points:277,445 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:26:19 PM Ignore VanIsleLes Report Abuse This is just frustrating to read all this bad news
5Golfer8 Champion Author Tucson Posts:2,143 Points:301,625 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:26:19 PM Ignore 5Golfer8 Report Abuse Just build it already.
OGW Champion Author London Posts:5,329 Points:1,532,975 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:23:49 PM Ignore OGW Report Abuse Did GM promise them each a Volt for free if they stopped the refinery?
bonzoonfmb Champion Author Florida Posts:1,787 Points:645,560 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:21:50 PM Ignore bonzoonfmb Report Abuse More refineries need to be built everywhere and anywhere.
MahopacJack Champion Author New York Posts:8,015 Points:1,583,925 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:21:42 PM Ignore MahopacJack Report Abuse What would the environmental impact be? The Sierra Club didn't say.
firefly09 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,497 Points:716,700 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:20:55 PM Ignore firefly09 Report Abuse To bad.
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:10,901 Points:2,132,580 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:19:46 PM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse SOP for environmentalists, no matter how clean it is compared to other alternatives, it isn't clean enough.
bvrbill Champion Author Eugene Posts:3,223 Points:519,600 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 10:19:15 PM Ignore bvrbill Report Abuse Build it.