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Keystone Pipeline Ensnared in Politics, Hypocrisy

Forbes -- The Keystone XL pipeline may have kicked off the presidential race but it’s also setting the stage for a Battle Royale in Congress. Not only are senior House Republican preparing to link its construction to key spending bills but they are also playing up the Obama administration’s apparent hypocrisy.

When news spread on Friday that the U.S. Department of State had approved two years ago a similar oil sands pipeline, even members of the president’s party were caught off guard. That approval, which paved the way for the 326-mile “Alberta Clipper” stretching from Canada to Wisconsin and began operations in October 2010, was made with the president’s blessings.

That news is now giving even more fodder to Republican members, who have argued strenuously that the Keystone pipeline is not...

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Submitted Feb 07, 2012 By: Martinman

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rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:18,256 Points:1,874,445 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 1:14:28 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse There's also the fact that the "Alberta Clipper" "would almost entirely be located along an existing Enbridge pipeline right-of-way", as well as the fact that it delivers oil to US refineries to be used in the US, not to be sold to foreign countries.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:15,978 Points:1,248,125 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 5:00:02 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse 326 miles isn't that much to maintain. Going all the way to South Texas is a lot longer and harder to keep up with and oil spills will happen easier.
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:18,256 Points:1,874,445 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 11:36:47 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse You mean a whole bunch of new people in Congress, don't you? That's where the major hangup is.
1006 Champion Author Birmingham Posts:1,020 Points:1,107,840 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 8:34:08 PM Ignore 1006 Report Abuse Put a new man in washington
Gnusman53 Champion Author San Diego Posts:4,742 Points:759,165 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 5:27:01 PM Ignore Gnusman53 Report Abuse They haven't worried about American jobs for more than three decades..
Gnusman53 Champion Author San Diego Posts:4,742 Points:759,165 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 5:26:01 PM Ignore Gnusman53 Report Abuse GOP has shown they consider jobs to be just a slogan.
Gnusman53 Champion Author San Diego Posts:4,742 Points:759,165 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 5:24:50 PM Ignore Gnusman53 Report Abuse In fact, what systems has TransCanada set up to handle spills. We have seen how much of a problem that has been in the past...
Gnusman53 Champion Author San Diego Posts:4,742 Points:759,165 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 5:23:19 PM Ignore Gnusman53 Report Abuse Or do you want pre-oiled food going to market after spills...?
Gnusman53 Champion Author San Diego Posts:4,742 Points:759,165 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 5:20:46 PM Ignore Gnusman53 Report Abuse tomok...hopefully you want clean water to9o
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:26,082 Points:1,984,435 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 2:11:11 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse Keystone Pipeline Ensnared in Politics, Hypocrisy and political football. One side says Yes, the other side says No. Canada says they will sell it to the Chinese and the US says - So What! If, when or where the pipeline is built, protect the ground and surface waters And wet lands, wildfowl and natural areas at all costs. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
Krykson All-Star Author Chicago Posts:840 Points:247,185 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 1:36:51 AM Ignore Krykson Report Abuse Interesting
Gas Thirsty Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:3,889 Points:2,892,160 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 11:56:53 PM Ignore Gas Thirsty Report Abuse Enough of the Keystone pipeline!
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:18,256 Points:1,874,445 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 11:18:56 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse Bezalel - "The NHLiveFree post ignores the fact that the administration DID approve a similar pipeline." As you ignore the fact that that pipeline went to Wisconsin. How many supertankers dock in Wisconsin? How much oil, or refined products, gets exported to foreign countries from Wisconsin? The oil that's going to Wisconsin is refined and sold in the US.
LCSTEELERBOB Champion Author Gary Posts:2,254 Points:552,700 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 11:10:40 PM Ignore LCSTEELERBOB Report Abuse da, and it will be that way till all get paid off
NOGASMOOLA Rookie Author Illinois Posts:61 Points:131,360 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 11:09:38 PM Ignore NOGASMOOLA Report Abuse ok
menagerie1013 Champion Author San Diego Posts:1,059 Points:349,250 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 11:08:59 PM Ignore menagerie1013 Report Abuse whatever
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:7,783 Points:1,252,150 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 11:03:28 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse Many GasBuddies have a “my mind is made up so don’t bother me with the facts” attitude on this boondoggle. As NHLF points out, just below, the junk oil from the tar sands is largely slated for export, so it would have little impact on US supply. And, as was noted in a recent GB Blog, completion of the pipeline would very likely increase gas prices in the midwestern states. Be careful what you wish for . . .
Throroughbred Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,031 Points:1,210,745 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:59:15 PM Ignore Throroughbred Report Abuse Build the damn pipeline yesterday PERIOD!!!!!
Bezalel Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:10,266 Points:1,932,155 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:56:48 PM Ignore Bezalel Report Abuse The NHLiveFree post ignores the fact that the administration DID approve a similar pipeline. [Edited by: Bezalel at 2/7/2012 11:57:46 PM EST]
carman11 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:1,470 Points:330,670 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:56:35 PM Ignore carman11 Report Abuse OK
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:8,048 Points:1,274,115 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:53:16 PM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse Too bad many posters here do not read the TransCanada public disclosures on this grand scheme. It is simply the Royal Dutch Shell plan to get as much Alberta crude to the duty free port Valero owns on the Texas Gulf Coast. No amount of this crude is guaranteed for use in the USA. Wake up and read disclosures. The KeystoneXL provides the USA with nothing but a few temporary jobs on pipeline construction that are spread out over two. No help at all to the USA in either increasing our energy supplies or lowering the prices we pay. Great scheme that was likely devised by Enron alumni in the oil industry. Big Oil loves us!
ty58 Sophomore Author Akron Posts:116 Points:204,680 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:51:39 PM Ignore ty58 Report Abuse and.....................
confetti Veteran Author Tampa Posts:317 Points:236,590 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:51:34 PM Ignore confetti Report Abuse I agree with abcdMA: "Obama is pandering to which ever side will give him the most money and votes, not what is in the country's best interest."
skyking19 Champion Author Little Rock Posts:1,584 Points:1,423,545 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:51:17 PM Ignore skyking19 Report Abuse Really? COME ON MAN!
OGW Champion Author London Posts:3,749 Points:1,203,000 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:50:57 PM Ignore OGW Report Abuse The Keystone pipeline was following the path to Texas because the refineries in Texas wanted it. The oil is already flowing in Canadian pipelines and will increase with time to the east and west coast of Canada and to the world. If the US doesn't want it then Canada and the rest of the world does!
Vette1967 Champion Author Albany Posts:4,172 Points:919,380 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:46:41 PM Ignore Vette1967 Report Abuse Okay.
GigHarborHound All-Star Author Tacoma Posts:945 Points:168,285 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:35:56 PM Ignore GigHarborHound Report Abuse BeachPatriot, I think he has been spotted in DC, Chi town, and Hawaii!!
purplebears Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:7,046 Points:929,350 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:35:55 PM Ignore purplebears Report Abuse The Canadians want the Keystone pipeline because it is easier to build it across the terrain of the Great Plains as opposed to trying to build it across the Rockies and the coastal fault lines. If Canada intended to sell the oil to the U.S., they could simply pipe it to North Dakota where refineries could be built to satisfy the northern and Midwestern market of the U.S. The real reasons they want the pipeline built all the way to the gulf coast is that it is easier to fill tankers for foreign distribution and export beyond the U.S. The pipeline itself has very little long term benefit to the U.S.
TopGunn Champion Author Baltimore Posts:7,359 Points:2,256,180 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:34:17 PM Ignore TopGunn Report Abuse Politics as we have come to know them - and they suck!
BeachPatriot Rookie Author Maine Posts:37 Points:117,440 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:30:45 PM Ignore BeachPatriot Report Abuse Some village in Kenya is missing their idiot.
Rockwoodband Veteran Author Flint Posts:432 Points:205,495 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:23:18 PM Ignore Rockwoodband Report Abuse 76 Chevy, you are so right.
bif65 All-Star Author Virginia Posts:788 Points:137,840 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:23:01 PM Ignore bif65 Report Abuse ok
76chevy Champion Author Toledo Posts:2,306 Points:458,840 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:22:47 PM Ignore 76chevy Report Abuse We need a separation of obama and state, as much as church and state!
fuelsaverMN Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,953 Points:407,650 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:18:51 PM Ignore fuelsaverMN Report Abuse WHAT ELSE IS NEW. NOBAMA HAS TO GO OR WE WON'T HAVE A COUNTRY LEFT.
KhelbenArunson Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,669 Points:358,980 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:17:45 PM Ignore KhelbenArunson Report Abuse Hypocrisy, Oh yeah the republican congress is involved.
jindodog Veteran Author Missouri Posts:425 Points:95,075 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:17:03 PM Ignore jindodog Report Abuse Business as usual.
Prodaddy Champion Author Houston Posts:6,585 Points:1,535,770 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:11:53 PM Ignore Prodaddy Report Abuse What a huge understatement
EXTREMESNOW Champion Author Medford Posts:7,594 Points:1,559,390 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:11:08 PM Ignore EXTREMESNOW Report Abuse Yeak okay, seems this will be in the news for another 12 months....
Stooker Sophomore Author Ontario Posts:158 Points:67,270 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:08:58 PM Ignore Stooker Report Abuse jargon!
JagXKR Champion Author British Columbia Posts:1,388 Points:735,020 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:05:55 PM Ignore JagXKR Report Abuse Oh O'Bummer what say you now?
mrbee Champion Author Little Rock Posts:1,971 Points:2,106,975 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:05:36 PM Ignore mrbee Report Abuse Build it!
dudleydolittle Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,260 Points:236,220 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:03:42 PM Ignore dudleydolittle Report Abuse Hypocrisy, is the right word.
weenerdog Champion Author Detroit Posts:7,814 Points:1,542,515 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 9:57:12 PM Ignore weenerdog Report Abuse Ensnared in Politics...
Beaveronparade All-Star Author Hartford Posts:979 Points:294,525 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 9:56:26 PM Ignore Beaveronparade Report Abuse Great article, very informative. : ) We need this pipeline to become self sufficient. Too bad they just can seem to wrap their very small brains around that!
adr47 Champion Author Saskatchewan Posts:5,316 Points:1,109,605 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 9:55:53 PM Ignore adr47 Report Abuse Politics
dylan126 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,260 Points:239,845 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 9:54:34 PM Ignore dylan126 Report Abuse This has been a political game all along
NorthglennBill Champion Author Denver Posts:5,705 Points:1,121,170 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 9:45:58 PM Ignore NorthglennBill Report Abuse The pipeline will be built the politicians are just jocking for a piece of the action.
BrucePen Champion Author Ontario Posts:5,051 Points:1,052,885 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 9:40:29 PM Ignore BrucePen Report Abuse Why are we even debating this pipeline. Its a no brainer. We need to be energy self sufficient in North America The green mafia has never let the truth get in the way its arguments.
gj35 All-Star Author San Diego Posts:683 Points:496,405 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 9:39:02 PM Ignore gj35 Report Abuse Why didn't they just go ahead and write a book. That was a long article!!!! Go ahead and build it already.
PoohMcGoo Champion Author South Carolina Posts:1,907 Points:478,780 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2012 9:37:58 PM Ignore PoohMcGoo Report Abuse No surprise.